I gave a pre-recorded interview to a Newstalk ZB journalist last Friday; extracts were included in two news bulletins on Saturday 20 January 2024. They captured probably my main point: that the proposed bill’s reading of article 2 of te Tiriti/the Treaty as a guarantee of chieftainship for all New Zealanders departs from the meaning of the original treaty, which was about the Crown guaranteeing the tribal chieftainship (tino rangatiratanga) of hapū Māori.

(Article 1 was about establishing Crown government, while article 3 was a guarantee to Māori generally (as individuals) of the rights and privileges/tikanga of British subjects: those two restatements in the draft bill more-or-less reflect previous statements of treaty principles.)

The separate news segments are spliced together in this file: